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Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing

Started this discussion. Last reply by Andrew K Apr 24. 17 Replies

I have recently realised the potential death trap that is the Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing. See the attached file for some images about this issue.  This crossing is currently…Continue

 

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Andrew K replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"They should just get rid of the stupid maze/zig zag and make the crossing parallel to the tramline. The two-phase crossing means that cyclists and pedestrians alike ignore the crossing timings and just cross when they feel like it. The tight fenced…"
Apr 24
Jilden replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Look on the bright side. Jay Weatherill has promised to grade separate this tramline crossing if reelected. Might take a few years though."
Feb 18
heather replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Peter, I not am familiar with the crossing, but your drawing easily explains a potential hazard. Another instance of a picture is worth a thousand words. "
Feb 18
Dave M replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Yes. The 14m length between the level crossing and the ped/bike crossing means the whole lot needs to be considered as one complex. Marion Road gets the greater share of green light time, so the effect on the flow of Cross Road traffic will be…"
Feb 12
Scott Davis replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"I am not familiar with the road, so am going from the diagrams, descriptions and Google Streetview. If I understand you correctly Dave, you are suggesting that the solution might be to paint yellow hatching on the road all the way from the stop line…"
Feb 12
Dave M replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Short-stacking is where there is insufficient space between a level crossing and the next spot where vehicles are required to stop. If a car with a trailer passes the present stop line as the lights are showing amber, it will have to stop at the new…"
Feb 11
Peter B replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"I've probably spent too much time on this, but here's an improved diagram. I've also removed any recommendations and just described the problem."
Feb 11
Peter B replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"I've no idea what short-stacking is, but I don't see how there can be a problem if the potential new lights (A2 in my picture) are exactly in phase with the existing lights."
Feb 11
Dave M replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"The gap is 14 metres from the nearest part of the level crossing to the ped/bike crossing in the left lane, 22m in the right.  The ideal solution would be to shift the ped/bike crossing closer to the level crossing so there's a minimal…"
Feb 11
Peter B replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Here's a little diagram which might help. Feel free to use (or adapt with better art!)"
Feb 10
Peter B replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Wow, I see what you mean. In short: too long a distance between the traffic light (at the tram line) and the pedestrian crossing (maybe 40 metres east), on the eastbound side. That is a very dangerous situation, and easily fixed by a couple of extra…"
Feb 10
Jilden replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Yes, the Outer Harbor Greenway is one of my regular rides and I've been keeping an eye on progress. The holes for mounting the Day Tce ramp were drilled by one bloke months ago, not sure what the holdup is/was there. I took the train back to…"
Feb 8
Dave M replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"This one will be grade separated, going through the underpass along with the Seaford Railway Line. Until then, just ride defensively."
Feb 8
Jilden replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"I suspect they're well aware of the problem, after all it's been like that since it was built. Safe cycling involves determining if your path is about to be crossed by an errant motorist, only optimists get run over. The proper solution of…"
Feb 8
Tony P replied to Tony P's discussion Potential death trap along Mike Turtur bike path - Plympton Park tram / pedestrian / bike crossing
"Have you reported this to DPTI or Marion Council?  I suggest you do."
Feb 8
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